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| Goku's zenkais - en route of Namek | |
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Jul 21 2014, 02:22 AM Post #31 |
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Well that's one interpretation I guess, mine works fine though too, and I would say better with conjunction with Vegeta's comment. But I guess if Saiayn's rules don't really apply to Cell then Vegeta's rules might not apply to Goku. So you could be right. I just think it's kinda cheap and prefer my POV. Edited by Victorious, Jul 21 2014, 02:24 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 21 2014, 02:23 AM Post #32 |
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Cell explicitly talks about his Saiyan Cells, though. Nothing indicates his zenkai abilities were any different. The self-destruction was self-inflicted, so we can assume that self-inflicted injuries can cause zenkais. Edited by Yu Narukami, Jul 21 2014, 02:25 AM.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:30 AM Post #33 |
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Yes it's Cell's Saiyan component/Cell's that give him the zenkai power up. But I'd say it's pretty accurate to say that there are rules that limit Saiyans that don't apply to him. For one, just the level of strength he's at. There's no evidence Saiyans even even remotely in the Perfect Cell tier can get zenkai power ups. But he can. We're probably honestly dealing with some AT plot device but if you want to explain it in universe wise their zenkai ability is limiting compared to his. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 21 2014, 02:32 AM Post #34 |
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There's no reason to give Cell this special ability when Goku can get zenkais from self-inflicted training injuries. Two instances of it occurring. Seems like Vegeta might've been wrong. |
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Jul 21 2014, 02:40 AM Post #35 |
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Yeah but like I said, I don't think Goku got zenkais on the ship. I definitely don't think Vegeta was wrong about himself. So maybe Goku can get them and Vegeta can't by self infliction. And Cell's ability came from Goku. I guess that's not unreasonable. Protagonist hax BS if you ask me though. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 21 2014, 02:42 AM Post #36 |
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When did Goku learn about zenkais? From his wounds given by Vegeta? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 21 2014, 02:43 AM Post #37 |
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Izanagi!
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So now Vegeta's somehow an exception? You know, everything works out fine if you just accept that Vegeta was wrong. |
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Jul 21 2014, 02:44 AM Post #38 |
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Well I would say he learned about them a long time ago. Back in DB. Krilin at the very least was able to notice power ups in Goku after a near death fight. |
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| Vertical | Jul 21 2014, 03:03 AM Post #39 |
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Perhaps intent matters. If you injure yourself to the brink, then heal.... you get a zenkai... unless you did it on purpose to get a zenkai. Though I can't see much of a diff between doing it yourself and asking someone to do it. |
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Jul 21 2014, 03:22 AM Post #40 |
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I think this should at least cover one zenkai that he achieved through training. That's Toriyama's words about Goku gaining a zenkai in narration form. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Jul 21 2014, 07:02 AM Post #41 |
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Maybe Vegeta was just lying to Krillin and he knows that if he himself tried it he might hold back and just hurt himself. If there are other statements supporting Goku getting Zenkai's on the ship, it seems likely. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 23 2014, 08:40 PM Post #42 |
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I'm aware this is a few days late, but I was researching for a collegiate essay when I stumbled upon this bit of information in the fourth volume of Daizenshuu.
http://web.archive.org/web/20111104071121/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link |
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| + miguelnuva | Jul 23 2014, 08:54 PM Post #43 |
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I think the Zenkai works on intent. If your doing something with the thought of getting stronger to fight an opponent you get the Zenkai. Vegeta at the time was trying to simply abuse his Zenkai to get SSJ and had been running from Frieza up to that point. Since Vegeta was running and hiding from Frieza maybe his body didn't release what he would need for the Zenkai to take effect but getting Krillen to do it release this chemical. You can Zenkai your self if your in battle or training or outside ki will Zenkai you every time. Edited by miguelnuva, Jul 23 2014, 08:56 PM.
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| Kblo247 | Jul 24 2014, 11:08 PM Post #44 |
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I would say Vegeta is a case of too strong a sense of self preservation. He was willing to let Krillin do it, but it's too much a part of his psyche to kill himself until Buu comes along. Vegeta was a survivor, it's what got him thru Zarbon, years in the PTO, and that 4 on 1 beatdown on earth. I just don't think he was in a place where he was willing to possibly risk killing himself. If he did, there's no guarantee that Dende will even heal him, whereas its likely Dende will so Krillin doesn't have a kill on his conscious. |
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